Homosexuality
LGBT
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender
God’s view from Scripture
and medical facts
My comments in blue, Scriptures & quotes in black, references in green.
This is a very emotive subject with strong views from differing directions, difficult to cover and it is not my intention to cause offence. However this subject is covered in God’s word and it is important that it is covered, for those in this category and for the sanctification of God’s name.
In my ministry I usually ask people if they have any questions that they would like to have answered from God’s Word, as with people who are of many different religious backgrounds and beliefs, many have not had the opportunity to come to an accurate true knowledge of Who Almighty God really is and what His requirements for us are. Some have asked me what scriptures there are on the subject of homosexuality. So I have respectfully taken them through the appropriate scriptures, as I think it is very important that we all have the information to make informed decisions on all the varying avenues of life. I think it must be said that even if LGBT is not acceptable to God how some Christians treat them is totally unscriptural.
On the subject of judging people outside the congregations which would include LGBT the apostle Paul wrote; 1 Cor 5:12 For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside? So when so called Christians judge anyone outside they clearly do not represent true Christians and how they should treat people outside the congregation, as only God judges those outside and I have always tried to treat them with respect in my ministry.
Also Christ gave the illustration of the Good Samaritan after stating you should love your neighbour as yourself at Luke 10:27 he was asked the question who is my neighbour? As the Samaritans had different beliefs and ways, the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans and the Samaritans have no dealings with the Jews, it was a fitting example that everybody is your neighbour and we are all expected to show love to all others. Not necessarily to love their ways, but to show love to the individual, not to necessarily associate with them as the Samaritan took the Jew to an Inn and not to his home, but to be kind and compassionate.
I know that many may say that homosexuality is not a matter of choice of what one’s desires are, however one may have desires but whether one acts or gives into those desires is another thing. Whether homosexuality is acceptable to God or not will be covered, but it is worth noting that even the apostle Paul personally had a struggle with trying not to be captive to sin’s law he didn’t specify what it was but Paul wrote;
Romans 7:21 I find, then, this law in my case: that when I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with me. 22 I really delight in the law of God according to the man I am within, 23 but I behold in my members another law warring against the law of my mind and leading me captive to sin’s law that is in my members. 24 Miserable man that I am! Who will rescue me from the body undergoing this death? 25 Thanks to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So, then, with [my] mind I myself am a slave to God’s law, but with [my] flesh to sin’s law.
And it is also encouraging that in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians he stated that some of the Christians in the congregation of Corinth had been homosexuals at one time before they became Christians. Covered later.
There is also another reason for covering the Homosexual issue and that is the major health risks involved with this way of life and the high death count which is of considerable concern. This will be covered after the scriptures under the heading of: The medical facts.
In the minds of many the evolutionary theory has knocked out or destroyed the idea of the creation of Adam and Eve and God’s union in marriage of the first human couple, of a man and a woman, setting God’s standard for marriage. The evolutionary theory has also obviously done the same for the credibility of the Word of God in general in the minds of many people. However Almighty God did create Adam and Eve. We did not evolve, as for a start DNA is far too complicated for that mythical ideology to be true, there are no links in the fossil records and they have even had to invent mythical things like “natural selection” and an “infinite number of alternative universes” to deal with the impossibility of life ever starting in the first place, yet alone not being wiped out (see Evolution versus logic). Only our loving creator Almighty God has the knowledge, wisdom and the right to instruct us in the best, correct and only way we should live, to not only please Him but also that we gain true health, happiness and life itself.
Before we go through the scriptures I think it is very important to establish in one’s own mind if it is logical to believe in the existence of an all knowing, all powerful God, this will also help you see the importance and wisdom of acknowledging His guidance in your life. So first if you have any doubts of the reality of the existence of God. See: Evolution verses Logic and Creation the Genesis account. Or maybe you have doubts because you wonder why so much badness happens in the world and why does God allow this to happen. Some even in the churches say that God is behind it! Can that be true? See: Does the Lord give and the Lord take away?
Scriptures in the Old Testament on homosexuality.
The first scripture is Genesis chapter 19 and is about the two angels that came to see Lot in the form of men, to warn Lot and his family that God was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins. In Genesis chapter 18 we learn that the cities of Sodom and Gomorra’s sin was very grievous (*heavy; in a bad sense), however we are not told specifically the sin involved until chapter 19 were rape and homosexuality is clearly the cause, as many men from the city of Sodom wanted to have sex with them (the angels) and so this clearly clarifies the sin and why God was going to destroy the city. The second scripture Lev 18 and is where God gave Moses the Commandments.
Gen 18:20 And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous* KJV
*Hebrew; kabad; to be heavy (in a bad sense) Strong’s
Gen 19: 1 The two angels came to Sodom at evening…. 4 the men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people from every quarter. 5 They called to Lot, and said to him, “Where are the men who came in to you this night? Bring them out to us, that we may have sex with them.” 14 The men (angels) said to Lot, “Do you have anybody else here? Sons-in-law, your sons, your daughters, and whoever you have in the city, bring them out of the place: 13 for we will destroy this place, because the outcry against them has grown great before Yahweh that Yahweh has sent us to destroy it.” 14 Lot went out, and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry his daughters, and said, “Get up! Get out of this place, for Yahweh will destroy the city.” WEB
Lev 18: 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination**. 23 …It is perversion. NKJV
Another translation puts the scripture this way; Lev 18:22 Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable** sin. NLT
Some people say that the word Homosexual isn’t in the Hebrew text, well no the actual word Homosexual is not in the Hebrew text, because the word was only used for the first time about two hundred years ago. But in the Hebrew at Lev 18.22 the relevant passage is written like this; a male thou shalt not lie as with woman* this is disgusting.** And a male that lies with a male as with a woman is a fitting description or definition of a male Homosexual. So the word homosexual isn’t in the Hebrew but the definition of homosexual and Homosexuality is in the Hebrew.
I normally check the Hebrew and Greek on the subjects I cover as translators have a bad habit of changing the meaning of various words in translation to suit their own ends.
The Hebrew words to English at Lev 18:22;
*Hebrew; ‘eth; nearness; with, zakar; a male, lo’; not, shakab; to lie down (sexual connection), ishkab; a bed; carnal intercourse, as with, ‘ishshah; a woman.
**The words abomination and detestable are from the Hebrew; tow`ebah; meaning; something disgusting (morally); an abhorrence. Which is from the Hebrew; ta`ab; to loathe, to (morally) detest.
Most people think that Christ is Almighty God and consequently some believe that Almighty God coming in the form of Christ to earth has softened or changed His views on sexual matters. However they are not the same person (see; Trinity) and Almighty God never changes His standards; Mal 3:6 For I am the Lord, I do not change. NKJV and Christ is in full harmony with his God and Father.
John 6:38 I have come down from heaven not to do my will but the will of him that sent me. TNIV
John 5:19 Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. KJV
Also the general perception is that it’s only or mainly the Old Testament that condemns the practice of homosexuality, however there seems to be more scriptures on the subject in the New Testament than the old.
Scriptures in the New Testament on homosexuality.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness… 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools… 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death… KJV
Same scripture, different translation; Rom 1: 24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. NLT
1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10 …will not inherit God’s Kingdom. NWT2013
Same scripture, different translation; 1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practising homosexuals 10 …will inherit the kingdom of God. TNIV
1 Tim 1:8 Now we know that the Law is fine provided one handles it lawfully 9 in the knowledge of this fact, that law is promulgated, not for a righteous man, but for persons lawless and unruly, ungodly and sinners, lacking loving-kindness, and profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, manslayers, 10 fornicators, men who lie with males, kidnappers, liars, false swearers, and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching. NWT
Same scripture, different translation; 1 Tim 1:9 For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders. 10 The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching 11 that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God. NLT
Heb 13:4 …for God will judge sexually immoral people…
The next one is a reminder of Gen 19 by Christ’s fleshly brother Jude;
Jude 7 What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these cities suffered the same fate that God’s people and the angels did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities. GW
The Eternal fire reference brings to most people’s minds Hell fire, but this is wrong and a perversion of scripture, there is no such place as Hell, there is no consciousness, no thoughts, and no pain when dead. (see; Life, Death)
Same scripture, different translation; Jude 7 And don’t forget Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring towns, which were filled with immorality and every kind of sexual perversion. Those cities were destroyed by fire and serve as a warning of the eternal fire of God’s judgment. NLT
The word sexual perversion is from the Greek word ekporneuo; from porneuo; meaning; indulge unlawful lust.
The words that God uses and their meaning in the New and Old Testament are; loathe, detest, disgusting, perversion, abomination.
And yet that is what some of you were
Another look at a scripture quoted above 1 Cor 6:9 …men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality & 10 …will not inherit God’s Kingdom, and yet most importantly it continues in verse 11 with And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous…
So it states on the subject of homosexuality to members of the Christian congregation in Corinth; And yet that is what some of you were, so previously members of the Christian congregation in Corinth were practicing homosexuals, and subsequently stopped and changed, they repented; Acts 3.19 Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get your sins blotted out.
1 Cor 6:9… men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10.. will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God. NWT2013
Forgiveness
However the conduct of Homosexuality is seen by God, He is a God of love and of forgiveness, that is why He sent His only begotten son Christ Jesus, as Christ said; I have come to call, not righteous persons, but sinners to repentance;
Luke 5:30 At this the Pharisees and their scribes began murmuring to his disciples, saying: “Why is it YOU eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31 In reply Jesus said to them: “Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but those who are ailing do. 32 I have come to call, not righteous persons, but sinners to repentance.”
Christians have been instructed to repudiate* ungodliness and worldly desires and Christ gave himself for us that he might deliver us from every sort of lawlessness and cleanse for himself a people. So people had to be cleansed or repent and turnaround from their sins;
Titus 2:11 For the undeserved kindness of God which brings salvation to all sorts of men has been manifested, 12 instructing us to repudiate* ungodliness and worldly desires and to live with soundness of mind and righteousness and godly devotion amid this present system of things, 13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave himself for us that he might deliver us from every sort of lawlessness and cleanse for himself a people peculiarly his own, zealous for fine works. NWT
*Repudiate; refuse to accept or be associated with. Dictionary
Acts 3:19 Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get YOUR sins blotted out…
Marriage
Some faiths marry homosexuals in their churches, however Christ said that his true disciples… remain faithful to my teachings and that many will say that they are his followers or true Christians, but he said that he will say to them; ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!‘ Those who marry homosexuals do not remain faithful to his teachings, as it is clearly in opposition to the above scriptures so they have rejected the word of the Lord and go beyond the things that are written hence God also has rejected them as those who practice lawlessness.
John 8:31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” NLT.
Matt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ NKJV
1Co 4:6 learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written” NWT
1 Sam 15:23 Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, He also has rejected you… NKJV
These same religions probably teach Hellfire! (See; Life, Death, Hell, Life after death) and that God takes our loved ones away! (See; Does the Lord give and take away) Disgraceful.
Conclusion of scriptures
Having looked at the scriptures some may say that God is cruel, uncaring, unloving, overbearing or just plain wrong in His laws and guidance to make such limitations on mankind. Well every parent wants the very best for their children, our Heavenly Father is no different in that respect. He created us, His loving care can clearly be seen in our design, and He knows perfectly well what is good for us and what is not. And if that is true it would be foolishness not to take note and apply His wisdom and guidance, and live in a way that promotes health and everlasting life.
We now live in the age of knowledge, of science and technology, so the question is what do the modern day facts show? Does our modern day scientific knowledge prove that homosexuality is healthy and safe to practice or is God’s guidance written thousands of years ago for our protection right, the actions of a loving God and the best way for us to live our lives?
The medical facts
A Frank look at the medical dangers of what male homosexuality involves, where the sexual act involves the penis’ entry of the rectum. Now the penis was designed by God to pass urine or sperm which we are told according to a NHS web site is generally sterile and we will see that the penis was not designed to handle bacteria. However the rectum which passes faeces is completely different it was designed to cope with a massive amount of bacteria, because human faeces contains a mass of different very harmful bacteria which is highly infectious that can be transmitted, according to a NHS web site which include; cholera, dysentery, e-coli, salmonella, shigellas, rota virus, norovirus all very deadly infectious bacteria. We can clearly see why Almighty God refers to this activity with words like; loathe, detest, disgusting, perversion and abomination.
We are even taught that basic hygiene after using the toilet is not to cross contaminate the urethra of the penis with faeces from the rectum while using tissue paper to avoid urinary tract infections. This was one of the topics on the program “Embarrassing bodies” where the Doctor asked members of the public individually to sit fully clothed on a toilet in a public square and asking them individually how they would wipe themselves with tissue paper; from front to back or back to front. Then explaining to the whole group the importance of only wiping front to back so as not cross to contaminate the urethra from the rectum and the subsequent danger of Urinary tract infections. So in effect the medical association gives a health warning to the practice of homosexuality when it warns against the cross contamination of bacteria from the anus to the penis.
Urinary tract infections are obviously common with anal sex and Sepsis is common with urinary tract infections and someone with Sepsis has only a 10 to 20% chance of surviving if undiagnosed and not treated with antibiotics, and even if you do get diagnosed in time and survive from Sepsis it can cause fatigue, brain dysfunctions, organ failure, multiple amputations and disfigurement. So you may have to live with one or more life changing limitations.
If that isn’t bad enough, having considered all of the previous health risks then there is the obvious HIV and AIDS which have already killed over 35 million people earth wide, where homosexuality has been the major contributing factor.
BBC Victoria Derbyshire 18/6/2019. Yusef Azad director of strategy national aids trust; There is 100 times more HIV in the gay community compared with the British born heterosexual community.
BBC Breakfast 27/6/18. Louise Minchin presenter; “35 million people have died from HIV and AIDS around the world”
Then according to a poll used on The Wright Stuff there is the detrimental psychological effects of LGB’s who are more likely to suffer from; poor mental health, drug and alcohol addiction, all this on top of the sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV which they are also more likely to suffer from.
The poor mental health is also shown in these reports;
BBC newsbeat; Higher suicide risk for young gay and lesbian people
52% of young LGBT people report self-harm…
44% of young LGBT have considered suicide
Another report stated that; Gay and bisexual men are four times more likely to attempt suicide than heterosexual men…
HIV.gov; Gay and bisexual men have the largest number of new diagnoses in the United States… anal sex is the highest-risk sexual activity for transmitting HIV. …transgender women who have sex with men are among the groups at highest risk for HIV infection…
These statistics are both shocking and sad but should we be surprised by this? No because the fact that disease and death is caused by homosexuality is highlighted in scripture above; Rom 1: 27 men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence* of their error which was meet as a result of this sin. KJV Another translation put it like this; they suffered within themselves the penalty* they deserved. NLT. Or receiving in themselves the due penalty* of their error. WEB
*Greek; antimisthia; requital, correspondence; from; misthos; payment for services good or bad.
Thousands of years before modern medical science revealed these facts to us in our day God clearly knew all about the harmful effects of homosexuality and has lovingly warned us to avoid such things. However this suffering is not a punishment from God it is the result of ignoring His laws and of going against His warning that such health problems arise and those who choose to ignore His laws time and again do suffer as a consequence.
Well the facts are there, one can accept them or not, or just ignore them as many do. Personally all the facts clearly indicates that homosexuality isn’t a safe, loving or a desirable way of life to live. Alarm bells should in my opinion be sounding and if you truly love someone you would never intentionally expose them to such deadly health risks. Also when you are in a relationship you also have a duty to care for your own health, if not for yourself then for the one(s) you hopefully Love and care about, as you would not put someone you truly love through the pain of seeing you suffer and die from one of the above conditions, leaving them grieving your loss, with the possibility and fear that you have passed on your infections to them, which may well kill them too.
When I was young I lived through the sorrowful deaths of a sister through a painful disease and of my father through suicide which destroyed the family and changed my life and that of my siblings for the worst. I know the damaging effects and do not wish to see others live their lives in ways that cause similar terrible things. Only many decades later can I truly say I have finally managed to get peace and that is through my Biblical study, research, ministry, and coming closer to God. But you can still choose how you want to live your life and no person can judge you, only Almighty God has the right to do that.
After examining the facts they prove the following scripture to be true again; Isa 48:17 This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. 18 O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea. NWT
O if only indeed, it always reminds me of an exhausted loving parent telling off a persistent naughty child.
The words “God is love” is often seen on LGBT placards to suggest that “anything goes” in the so called name of love, but due to the vast amount of health hazards and deaths with LGBT that cannot be true and because God is love He gives us guidance and because He is our Creator He is the source of genuine guidance for our protection, and that is genuine love.
Conscience
We have an inbuilt conscience that tells us what is right and what is wrong, as seen at Romans 2:14 & 15 and it is this that tells us when we are guilty of doing anything that is morally incorrect, that in turn can play heavily on our minds and if we ignore it can cause us great stress and depression. We have to learn to rely on our God given conscience and not go against it for the sake of our own health physically and mentally, as in; accusing or else excusing us.
Rom 2:14 When outsiders who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. 15 They show that God’s law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them* that echoes God’s yes and no, right and wrong. THE MESSAGE
Same scripture, different translation; Rom 2:15 …their conscience* also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them. NKJV
*Greek; suneidesis; coperception; moral consciousness.
Lesbianism
Most of the scriptures make reference to male homosexuality but Rom 1:24 & 26 clearly also mentions female homosexuality; 24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. NLT
Transgender
Transgenderism in the case of hermaphroditism is apparently an extremely rare sex anomaly in which gonads for both sexes are present, in which external genitalia may show traits of both sexes; testis and ovary, this condition is sometimes identified at birth. This condition is not caused by God or due to any fault of the infant, it is unfortunately due to Adamic sin, environmental affects or even drugs that some people are born with medical conditions that can cause much pain and suffering physically and mentally.
Biblically even people putting on or wearing another genders clothing to look like the opposite gender should not be done and is detestable to God.
Deu 22:5 A woman must not put on the clothing of a man, nor should a man wear the clothing of a woman. For anyone doing so is detestable to Jehovah your God. NWT
Another translation puts the scripture this way; Deut 22:5 A woman shall not be clothed with man’s apparel, neither shall a man use woman’s apparel: for he that doeth these things is abominable before God. Douay-Rheims
Apart from that the bible doesn’t seem to say much on the subject apart from eunuchs who were born that way.
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs on account of the Kingdom of the heavens. Let the one who can make room for it make room for it. The make room for it is in referring to putting God’s Kingdom’s ministry work before one’s own personal or sexual interests, as in; Mat 6:33 Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.
However many seem to be physically of one gender and feel that they should be the other gender, which is of concern particularly as according to another poll on same programme of The Wright Stuff the percentage of children with gender dysphoria who changed their minds when they get older is 80%. So clearly children should not be pushed into or even encouraged to medically change gender and never before adulthood and old enough to know all the facts and dangers to be able to make their own decisions and take that responsibility themselves.
However if you truly are of a different gender than the one you were born in then God will sort that out in His due course and time. The vast majority of those resurrected will be to here on earth so you too will then be able to live life in perfection with a perfect physical body, that’s another thing the churches get wrong. (See; life, death, resurrection). There is a saying in the world today; you only have one life, meaning this is your lot, make the most of it. Well that is not God’s way, a Christian should be seeking first the kingdom and then all other things will come.
Mat 6:33 Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU. 34 So, never be anxious about the next day, for the next day will have its own anxieties.
The reference; never be anxious and anxieties is not referring to mental health issues.
Let Children be Children
Wright Stuff 15/5/17. Which is a topical debate program which consists of a panel and audience normally with a proportion of people who are LGBT, also with comments from the public all of whose views and opinions are sort and aired.
On the subject of school uniform and gender neutral uniforms. The conversation developed onto why young ones are so confused and have so much depression.
From the panel; Stefan Gates. When I was a boy, no boys seem to want to do it (wear girl’s clothing). Gender neutral uniform is a big deal these days. There are lots of kids these days questioning their gender.
Mathew Wright; Confused? Maybe they are not confused and absolutely set on their path or maybe endless fiddling around with uniform policy has actually created confusion in their young developing minds leading to all this kind of policy! I see that children by definition are children and don’t know their own minds legally until they are ten to twelve years of age depending on where they live. And actually all of us as children did things that was put down to childness, how we behaved. But now we give credibility to the views of. In fact I saw one report about someone seeking medical help aged five! And I think you haven’t even entered your second sexual characteristics stage of your development.
One of my friends daughters has been variously non-binary, trans, lesbian and now has a boyfriend at seventeen. She’s just gone through the whole gamut of different things that have been out there! It is possible that we have created the possibility for children to be become depressed by giving them more options which are still perhaps ill-defined and vague.
Ann Diamond. You are almost encouraging them to label themselves, before they need to.
Yes young children by definition are children and don’t know their own minds until they are older and with sexual matters not before puberty.
Interesting the suggestion is there is a trend of putting the idea of being Lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender into the minds of young children who wouldn’t normally have thought of it and have no real idea what that involves, what those life styles are, is that a form of behaviour conditioning? A form of grooving, causing these problems in young ones lives?
They have no idea the problems they will face, the contributing factors to a massive increase of mental and physical health problems, depression, self-harming and suicides on a scale never seen before. Setting them on such a life course thinking it’s a fine, good and safe way for them to live. The true reality they will only discover as they grow older when it is too late and in the meantime putting them under such a pressure that the older generation were never put through. We had our problems, but never on this scale.
A duty of care and Children
A duty of care; requires one to prevent any foreseeable harm to others. If one doesn’t then one is negligent in one’s care. When you send your child to school, the school has a duty of care and if they do not show that care, they can be prosecuted, that’s the same even for parents.
It’s immoral to put the pressure of gender or sexual persuasion before young children who are too young to understand the sexual acts involved and the massive health dangers.
Whereas adults have the right and hopefully the intelligence to get the facts to make an informed decision for themselves children don’t so the question is why would any loving caring person recommend a lifestyle to children that causes cholera, dysentery, e-coli, salmonella, shigellas, rota virus, norovirus, sepsis which are all very deadly infectious bacteria, and much higher rates of HIV and AIDS, poor mental health, drug and alcohol addiction, suicide and early painful deaths? When you consider all that the question is; could putting such pressure and those consequences on a child be nothing short of child abuse?
Children by definition are children, so to even suggest that’s OK, to put that idea into the minds of young children, for them to get that mind set, without the above dreadful knowledge which they are too young to understand anyway is surely wrong?
If and when they do ask as they get older about the subject then a cautious explanation of the lifestyle and the true harmful facts would be required. Then the informed decision is theirs and theirs alone.
Of course as God’s existence has been scientifically proven factual (see: Evolution versus logic) then God’s scriptural guidance should also be included, which could save their spiritual health and lives.
Association
Those who love God are instructed to hate what is bad, not the person but more precisely to hate the practices they do that are bad. Ps 97:10 You who love the Lord, hate evil! NLT
Another translation puts the scripture this way; Ps 97:10 O YOU lovers of Jehovah, hate what is bad. He is guarding the souls of his loyal ones; Out of the hand of the wicked ones he delivers them.
This hating what is bad also means not to associate with those who live such lives. 1 Cor 15:33 Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.
Another translation puts the scripture this way; 1 Cor 15:33 Do not deceive yourselves: “Evil companionships corrupt good morals.” Weymouth
There is a difference between personal association that one chooses to do in one’s own time and association at work or school when one maybe expected to work along with those who live their lives with differing beliefs, morals and standards. A true Christian does not judge other people or their way of life. As far as possible a Christian must be respectful and peaceable with all.
However there is also a difference between getting along with others, not judging other people’s way of life and being expected to accept it as acceptable or be taught or one’s children to be taught that their way of life is acceptable, being expected to approve of their way of life, particularly if that way of life is condemned by God, and if their way of life is harmful to their physical or mental health in anyway as in the case of LGBT. As far as possible a Christian must be respectful and peaceable with all.
Draw close to God, and he will draw close to YOU
My heart goes out to any and all who truly want to please God, for we all fall short of God’s glorious standard, it’s just a matter of how far we have fallen and whether in our hearts do we want to pick ourselves up and make changes in our lives that please Almighty God, which will also benefit us and those we love. He will help and guide you through the way ahead if you truly wish to please Him, but first you need to get to really know Him, to know who He is, what He is. To learn how to put Him first in your life so that He can help you and then you will truly benefit yourself and those you love.
Rom 3:23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. NLT
Jam 4:8 …Draw close to God, and he will draw close to YOU.
John 17:3 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. NWT
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